Family Integrated Church Getting National Attention

Thursday, September 15, 2011 Posted by Pastor Fred Wolfe

Churches Are Abandoning Age Segregation All Across America


WAKE FOREST, NC, September 15, 2011. The film Divided the movie, which has gone viral over the last 45 days, has now been thrust into the national media. The Washington Post(yesterday), the fifth largest newspaper in America, and USA Today (today) ran stories about the film and of the many churches, who are reconsidering the practices of modern youth ministry – and jettisoning them.

Scott Brown, who is a pastor in Wake Forest, NC, the Director of The National Center for Family-Integrated Churches, and the Executive Producer of the film explains it this way: “What’s going on? It is a form of validation. It is saying, ‘Look there are other churches doing this. The dialog has reached national proportions.’”

Brown said, “What we need to recognize is that, for many pastors, it is permission to ask, ‘Have we been doing something that is destructive?’” It allows them to say, “It’s ok if we abandon this segregated ministry.”

Abandoning the established patterns of youth ministry is very difficult because they are so entrenched in the fabric of church life. There are so many churches saying, “We’ve always done it this way. We cannot abandon this.” But the reality is that other churches are doing this and are thriving. It’s like saying, “Get in while the water's warm.”

Brown has written a book, A Weed in the Church, explaining the history of youth ministry, the biblical support for age integration as well as what youth ministry ought to look like if all you had was the Bible. Brown explains, “The book shows that the Bible not only communicates the message of the gospel, but it actually tells us how to communicate the gospel to youth.”

“What is encouraging about the recent media acknowledgment is that there are now many churches to point to. If we have an acknowledgment that ‘It’s ok,’ it grants permission for other churches to look at it as well.”

While there are many who are embracing the practice of age integration for the discipleship of youth, there is still a vigorous discussion in the Christian community, especially among those who are against it.

Christianity Today ran a harsh movie review of the film on their website and likened it to “an angry letter-to-the-editor,” calling it “propaganda,” “categorically dangerous,” and “filled with scare tactics.”

On the other side of the spectrum of responses is Ted Baehr of the popular Christian film site, Movie Guide, "Everyone should watch DIVIDED. It is that important. DIVIDED is an interesting and compelling documentary. The point of DIVIDED has to be brought to the attention of everyone in the church - it is critical!"

Another critic of Divided, sounding much like Christianity Today, is a popular, neo-reformed blogger Tim Challies, who recently dismissed the film in an unfavorable review, counseling his readers to stay away from it. “It’s a destructive message wrapped in a poorly-made documentary. The church would do well to ignore it,” Challies wrote. He lobbed several grenades against the documentary, saying it was “not at all fair,” builds a “case on a cliché,” and is “not only uncharitable but also utterly ridiculous . . . complete and utter nonsense.” (Fred Wolfe's Response to Challies Review)

Brown acknowledges, “Age integration is a very difficult proposition to embrace. I know how counter-cultural and disruptive it is to dismantle the age-segregated world that dominates not only the church but also all of society.” Yet, Brown categorizes the backlash criticisms in this way, “What is interesting is that many of the negative comments can be summed up by ‘You are ugly and your sister's ugly,’ yet they never come in with biblical arguments for their position.” They’re high on emotionalism, personal experience, and pragmatism and low on biblical support.


To interview NCFIC Director Scott T. Brown and/or to receive a preview copy of the movie Divided, the book A Weed in the Church, and press materials,

media should contact Tyler Dorin: 515-250-6491, tdorin@ncfic.org



Obedient to Death

Sunday, September 11, 2011 Posted by Pastor Fred Wolfe


Too many times in this world, "obedience" is considered a foul word. People equate obedience with legalism, and in so doing paint the world in shades of gray outside the perfect will of God. Christ, on the other hand, made obedience the focus of His day to day life. He obeyed His Father when He surprised John the Baptist in the River Jordan. The muddy waters swirled around the sandals that none of us would have been worthy to untie. When the protest began, "I can't do this! Don't you know who I am compared to you?" Behind those words must have been thoughts of worship, awe, reverence. It was John who needed to be washed. It was John who was the lesser, the one who would become less and less. But it was Jesus who came to Him. Jesus came to fulfill all righteousness, in obedience to commands of God. Jesus didn't need to be baptized. He needed to obey. Never had a river been so clean as that day, when the sinless son of man plunged down in obedience and came up to begin His ministry to the world.

His ministry was to die.

The foulness of death hung in the air on the cross. Black ravens hovered over the three men. No doubt they flew in worship of the one to whom God turned His back. All creation was glorifying His name. Obedient to death, even death on a cross. His love for His Father radiated from His dying body. His lungs breathed out His grace on the crowds who gathered to mock Him. The clouds made the day more gray, more black and white. It seemed the whole countryside was decorated with the theme of obedience. No shade of gray would do for the Christ, no half compliance or partial acquiescence. There was no shadow of turning in His decision to submit to the Father's will. This was a black and white issue. There was either full, total and immediate obedience, or there was disobedience. And Christ was poured out fully, totally and without question.

He went to the cross to obey, and we are all called to take up our cross and follow in His footsteps. Will we obey in the black and white, or will we settle for a little gray?

For the Pleasure of His Father

Saturday, September 10, 2011 Posted by Pastor Fred Wolfe


Jesus did not need an accountability group. He did not need to be reminded that his sole desire was for the will of His Father, and His Father's will was for Him to go to the cross. Jesus did not need to sign a commitment letter. He did not need to swear an oath under penalty of purgery. His Father's heart ached for the lost world. His own would not receive Him until their penalty was paid and the doors of heaven were flung open to them. It was the will of the Lord to crush the Christ, and the penalty that brought us peace was willingly taken up. His yes was yes.

What a terrible wonder, the love of Christ, who fastened Himself to the cross, and then looked to His Father for approval. He received none. Only the lonesome echo of a prayer of dying God-Man. "Eli...Eli...Lamasabasthani...?" Then looking down on the men whom He knitted together in the womb, he remembered what he was doing. Loving us. Giving Himself up for us. He was a fragrant offering, Holy and acceptable to the Lord.

The Black Cup

Friday, September 09, 2011 Posted by Pastor Fred Wolfe


How His knees trembled as he saw the cup from afar. A black cup, heated from the sterno of the wrath of the Father. A table was being prepared before Him in the presence of His enemies. So many enemies. And with enemies like these, who would call Him a friend? His black cup boileth over from the heat radiating from His Father’s stare; beads of sweat would pop up all over His shaking flesh. But this sweat was not to alleviate heat.

No. Not an ounce of anguish would be swept away by this flow. A more substantial perspiration began to drip from the body of Him who would drink this cup only hours from now. In fear and trembling His blood poured down before a single lash was dealt. It was only a shadow of what was to come. What wondrous love is this, that caused the Lord of this universe to bear the curse of this cup, the propitiation of the sins of His own.

What feeble hands lifted high to the night sky and asked for another cup, a cup of blessing, a cup of living water, a cup that overflowed with pomegranites and milk and honey. None else would be offered. It was not His will but the will of the one who passed Him the cup. As the sun shown and dried the wounds that broke open on the splintered tree, he hung. His mouth parched, taking long draughts of the black cup, his throat begged for relief, His spirit spent and dry. He was a sponge nailed to the wood, gulping down the wrath that was meant for His children soaking up the torment and pain. Even as a vinegar soaked sponge was lifted high, so the mighty God-Man was lifted up, absorbing the white-hot wrath of a Righteous judge.

Satisfaction. And now the communion table holds the cup of peace, which is the blood of Christ. The wrath that was to befall us all has now been satisfied, totally, completely, and sufficiently for all time. It was absorbed, digested, felt, and finished. Now the only cup left is peace for His own, a cup that runneth over in the presence of your enemies. With an anointed head, and a glad heart, rejoice! Death is dead!


After Modern Youth Ministry: Then What?

Thursday, September 08, 2011 Posted by Pastor Fred Wolfe

5 Things a Youth Ministry Can Be Transformed Into

If you have not read Scott Browns article on “The Greatest Untapped Evangelistic Opportunity Before the Modern Church”, I would highly recommend visiting it after reading these points:

1. Begin a mentorship program for men. If there will be a spark of reformation in the church and family, it will start with the reformation of the lives of it’s men. A godly man will be influential in the lives of his wife and children, and will lead them before the altar of God on a daily basis.

2. Teach young married couples how to raise a family. Let’s face it, the 60’s and 70’s has produced a generation that trusts Dr.Spock more than the inerrant Word of God when it comes to child rearing. A church would do well to help couples set their homes in order right from the start. Unlearning all of the cultural bad habits will take some time, but it will reap a harvest for generations.

3. Divert the money that was to be spend on youth ministry. All the funds raised for trips and parties could be used to support orphans and widows in their time of distress. This includes Christian, repentant single mothers, who want to stay at home under the covering of the church and raise her children, but have no way of financially doing so. If the church would place this as a priority, it could produce vast changes in the landscape of modern youth.

4. Hit the streets with full family outreach. Take whole families to distribute food at a homeless shelter, visit nursing homes, pass out gospel tracts in the city. Don’t let the children just hear the stories from the pulpits; let them see their fathers doing it in front of them.


5. Take in interns. There are going to be plenty of young men who want to see how a family integrated church is properly run, and family worship is conducted. Take them into your homes, and walk closely beside them. Make quality discipleship according to the scriptures a priority.



Is Church Methodology Neutral?

Tuesday, September 06, 2011 Posted by Pastor Fred Wolfe


Is Church Methodology Neutral?


How is the Church to deal with a constant barrage of hype and innovative ideas? Does innovation have a place in the methodology of the Church? Craig Groschel, the Pastor of LifeChurch, says it is essential to reach a generation that is not being reached. You can watch him give a short explanation HERE. When Charles Finney burst onto the scene in 1826, the Presbyterian Church did not immediately react to his innovative ideas. Only after a large following had gathered around Finney did the theologians of his time begin to speak up, namely Charles Hodge. The teachings of Finney have continued to influence the Church in the form of pelagianism today. Does innovation inevitably result in heresy, or is it a necessary response to culture?

The Bible’s Contention:

1. The Bible teaches that methodology matters. In fact the consequences of improper methodology can have deadly consequences. The way in which God calls his people to carry out his will often will teach us about the character of God.

a. 1 Chronicles 13 recounts the consequences of a reaction that God reacted to with anger and capital punishment. Uzzah walked beside the Ark of God, which was being carried as was prescribed in scripture by oxen. When one of the oxen stumbled, Uzzah reached out and attempted to steady the ark from falling. When he touched the ark, he was struck dead for his reaction. From this we learn at least that God is Holy, and in contrast, we are not. The way in which we approach Him matters.

b. Ephesians 5 calls husbands and wives to a certain roles in marriage. Wives are to submit to their husbands as the church submits to Christ. Husbands are to love their wives as Christ sacrificially loved the Church. This methodology of the marriage covenant reveals to us the mystery of the relationship of Christ and His bride, the Church.

2. The Bible is full of methodological directives in regards to His law, and the way he expects the faith to be passed from generation to generation.

a. Deuteronomy 6 reveals the sum of the law and the prophets. It then directs how these laws will be best impressed on children. It reveals an organic, day-by-day methodology that imparts a father’s faith onto his children. Is it any wonder that when the modern church has strayed from that clear directive, the statistics show God’s Word as true? “Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not stray from it”.(Proverbs 22:6)

b. Titus 2 speaks of the older teaching the younger. In Scott Brown’s book, “A Weed in the Church”, Brown speaks to the methodology that is prescribed:

“Titus 2 does not describe a one-to-many ministry of the church that requires a program to fulfill; rather, it pictures a personal, one-on-one ministry of Christians to one another – older men teaching younger men and older women teaching younger women. There is no indication that systematic, age-segregated, peer-group-oriented training was involved. This is simply a command to Christians to participate in personal, intergenerational discipleship.” Scott Brown, “A Weed in the Church”, 170.

The Core Issue: God’s Glory

What is at the heart of modern youth ministries attempts at “innovation”? It must be noted that the intentions of the vast majority of youth ministers are to reach a lost generation that seems to be turning from the Church and will spend an eternity in hell. Modern youth ministry for many, then, is an attempt to rescue these youth from that fate. Does the end justify the means? Some saw the Finney “revivals” as a secondary issue. The name of Jesus would at least be heard in the West. Likewise some today see methodology as a secondary issue, as long as youth are given the chance to hear the name of Jesus. It could be argued that as Finney was in err, so age-segregated youth ministry is in err, and both have produced many heresies for the Church to stand against.

The real issue here is a matter of Glory. Is the Church to glorify God or man? Surely, the chief end of man is to glorify God and enjoy him forever. Does the modern youth ministry glorify the sovereign God in it’s methodology, or does it glorify man? If Churches are willing to set aside the infallible and inspired methodologies preserved in scripture because we want to give youth the chance to escape an eternity in hell, who is the object of our efforts? This becomes a utilitarian religion where certain methodologies are set aside because the chief end of man is to escape hell. If the chief end of man is to glorify God, then God’s preserved and sufficient precepts are the only end to which the Church must exert her efforts, and submit that God alone is sovereign over salvation. God, in the end, must be glorified and man, in the end, must strive toward that pure and holy focus. We will then find the Churches declaring with Paul to our lost generation, “... I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. 1 Corinthians 2:3-5

Semper Novo

If what this radical new generation needs is a radical new Church to reach out to it, then we have also made a few unconscious consolations that, if realized, may make methodology more important in the eyes of the elders of local congregations. We must admit that if we are always innovating our methodology, we have conceded that the Bible’s prescribed methodology does not apply to all people at all times. If that is true, then we must also recognize that the Bible cannot be relied upon as sufficient for all matters of faith and life. Since there is nothing found in scripture that can help us delineate what we can trust in it’s contents and what we cannot, then the entirety of scripture is called into question. The historicity of the Bible, the doctrine of God, man, salvation, sanctification all become matters of culture. Before you know it, the Church has become less like the Church Universal and more like the universalist church.

So, what do we do? The answer is simple, but difficult. Seek to glorify God in all of the work of the church. Doctrine, and the methodologies used teach those doctrines become a matter of Biblical reformation.

Thus says the Lord: “Stand by the roads, and look, and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is; and walk in it, and find rest for your souls...” Jeremiah 6:16




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Response to Joey Cochran on Divided Movie

Friday, September 02, 2011 Posted by Pastor Fred Wolfe

Unfortunately, as I will exhibit below, Joey Cochran has turned an opportunity to dialogue and learn the true nature of Family Integrated Church into a rant that is riddled with fallacious arguments and concerns that have long since been dealt with by the NCFIC.

“Kendall and I watched Divided last night and found that we agreed with many of the comments. At the same time, we also felt like the agenda is too extreme. The movie Divided seems to paint the picture that every youth ministry undermines the work of parents. Our Church must apparently be some anomaly to this standard because Fellowship Bible Church views the youth ministry as merely a supplement to what happens in the home. We make intentional efforts to assist parents and connect with them as a support network as they disciple their families. In no way do we try to replace a parent or undermine their parenting.”

Too extreme? In what way is arguing for the sufficiency of Scripture for youth ministry extreme? In any case, Cochran misses the point in his next few statements when he argues for the honorableness of his own youth ministry. This point was well addressed by Voddie Baucham's comments. You can watch those comments HERE

“Ironically, I had a conversation about Divided the Movie with Tim Challies over dinner last week in Toronto. He’s written a review of the movie, which he and I discussed. I heartily recommend his review. Below is some of my critique from the movie.”

For those who would like to see my response to Tim Challie’s review, you may do so HERE.

“Much like how Rob Bell has blatantly ignored scriptures about hell in his book Love Wins, the Family Integrated Church (FIC) agenda has also ignored clear scriptural mandates that indicate that older people, besides the parents, play an important role in the spiritual development of younger people, namely Titus 2.1-6. Despite this mandate, (FIC) argues that any functional spiritual leader (Youth Pastors) will turn the face of a child away from his or her parents. Or do they argue that any functional spiritual leader will turn the face of a child away from his or her parents? They never seem to say the same about themselves as Senior Pastors. I don’t quite gather how Senior Pastors are distinctly beyond reproach whereas a Youth Pastor is considered anathema. If they wish to be consistent, why do they not argue for a Mennonite gathering where the council of elders meet and have ecstatic teaching at the assembly?”

This is quite simply an irresponsible and intellectually dishonest comment. In reality, Scott Brown deals with this passage in his book, “A Weed in the Church”. It is ironic that the only verse Cochran uses to defend his position actually argues for the FIC model. Scott Brown writes,

“Titus 2 does not describe a one-to-many ministry of the church that requires a program to fulfill; rather, it pictures a personal, one-on-one ministry of Christians to one another – older men teaching younger men and older women teaching younger women. There is no indication that systematic, age-segregated, peer-group-oriented training was involved. This is simply a command to Christians to participate in personal, intergenerational discipleship.” Scott Brown, “A Weed in the Church”, 170.

Cochran is obviously not as familiar with Scott Brown as he is with Rob Bell, or he might have found a more suitable reference. To equate Rob Bell’s heretical attacks on the doctrine of the Church with Scott Brown’s concern over the Biblical warrant for modern youth ministry is a classic straw man and should be avoided by honest participants in this discussion.

“In fact, the whole video seems a little inconsistent and arbitrary. How these FIC leaders arrive at what is worldly and what is biblical is beyond my comprehension. Loud music and people jumping up and down with dim lights and fog does not seem to be either biblical or non-biblical to me. I wonder what the FIC leaders would have thought had those people at the concert stripped down to their knickers like David did as he danced before the Ark on its return to Jerusalem. This is just another example of the apparent inconsistencies.”

Cochran may not understand how FIC leaders distinguish what is worldly from what is Biblical, but he also does not understand the point of the documentary. While ignoring the meat of what has been offered, he attacks the aesthetics. Of course, if Cochran locates the Ark of the Covenant, I welcome him to dance in his knickers I front of it, at least he would have Biblical precedence, as opposed to age-segregated youth ministry.

“The form under which older people mentor and lead younger people may not have been clearly delineated from the scriptures, but nonetheless that does not make the form invalid or, as the Family Integrated Church agenda argues, non-biblical. Strangely, these men argue that age segregated learning began in the 19th century, but it seems that they have completely overlooked how a young Jewish boy including Jesus would have been educated. All Jewish boys memorized at minimum the Torah during the times of Christ, and they did not do it in the home alone. They went to synagogue, sat with their peers, and learned the law from a Rabi.”

“Not clearly delineated from scripture” but not “non-biblical”? The logical inconsistency is strong enough in that statement that no retort is needed. Further, arguing from the common practice of the Pharisees is shaky ground at best. Jesus may have been in fact a part of these gatherings, but as a child who did not sin against the wishes of His parents, I would expect him to do so. The fact remains that all commands and instructions on the discipleship of youth are very consistent and in agreement with the stated confession of the NCFIC. Read this article by John Bunyan. Does modern youth ministry help or hinder these Biblical instructions?

“Sadly, I know that this issue will continue to haunt evangelical Churches and cause a lack of confidence in the current structures. I hope that FIC’s find that their form works for them and that they will then exert their energy to focus on the majors like reaching the lost, discipling the saved, and enjoying the redemption found in the glorious resurrection of Christ and his future return, rather than spreading strife and dissension within the body of Christ, all with the aim to gather more financial support for their blossoming denomination.”

In other words, “We’re comfortable. This kind of message rocks the boat. What’s true for YOU is your truth, what’s true for the rest of us is OUR truth. The Sufficiency of Scripture for the discipleship of youth isn’t a major like ‘reaching the lost’. Quite frankly, that is what Rob Bell sounds like. I am sure that Pope Leo thought that Martin Luther was spreading strife and dissention as well. In my experience, nailing your theses to the door of an inexperienced youth minister can make some waves, but these waves are necessary on the road to reformation and sanctification. I would encourage those who see the problems with modern youth ministry, but see the FIC movement as extreme, to check out Doug Philips’ answer to critics of the Family Integrated Church movement HERE.