Truth Wins! On Rob Bell and Hell.
Thursday, March 17, 2011 Posted by Pastor Fred Wolfe
Ignatius of Antioch
"Corrupters of families will not inherit the kingdom of God. And if they who do these things according to the flesh suffer death, how much more if a man corrupt by evil reaching the faith of God for the sake of which Jesus Christ was crucified? A man become so foul will depart into unquenchable fire, and so will anyone who listens to him..." (AD 110)
"No more is it possible for the evildoer, the avaricious, and the treacherous to hide from God than it is for the virtuous. Every man will receive the eternal punishment or reward which his actions deserve. Indeed, if all men recognized this, no one would choose evil even for a short time, knowing that he would incur the eternal sentence of fire. On the contrary, he would take every means to control himself and to adorn himself in virtue, so that he might obtain the good gifts of God and escape the punishments" (First Apology 12, A.D. 151).
"[Jesus] shall come from the heavens in glory with his angelic host, when he shall raise the bodies of all the men who ever lived. Then he will clothe the worthy in immortality; but the wicked, clothed in eternal sensibility, he will commit to the eternal fire, along with the evil demons." (ibid. 52).
Tophet was a small valley south to southwest of Jerusalem which belonged to the sons of Hinnom. Tophet and Gehenna came to be designations of hell because of the terrible things which occurred there.The wicked, unbelieving Jews of old would come to Tophet to sacrifice their children to the god Molech (Jer. 7:31). At Tophet the idolatrous Jews placed a large, bronze statue of Molech, shaped like a man with outstretched arms and hands. A fire would be built within the statue. When the statue was red hot, the idol-worshipers would place their baby sons and daughters onto the outstretched, red-hot arms and hands. Their little infants would die the most painful, excruciating death imaginable: their skin would be seared off their bodies, their flesh would be roasted; they were burned alive.
The screams, cries and screeches of their own children’s agony was unbearable, even to these wicked, debauched parents. Therefore, drums were played to drown out the hideous screams of the tortured infants. Hence Tophet, in the Hebrew, signifies the beating of drums. Therefore Tophet is a perfect symbol of hell where “God takes His rebellious children, casts them into the fire, [and] puts them into the arms of destruction” forever away from Christ and His saving blood. Will there be drums to drown out your screams when you sink into the flames of hell—you who reject Christ and His gospel? (Brian Schwertly, The Biblical Doctrine of Hell Examined)
Jesus taught that "...as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth” (Mt. 13:40-42)
And again, "They are to be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever” (Rev. 14:10)
Most people would agree that one of most horrible pains a human can experience is being burned alive. But if a person would be burned alive, and never feel the relief of death, it would be a fate worse than we can imagine.
Spiritual Torment
People who will have an eternal existence in hell will realize a few things very quickly. One of the first is that they have been deemed worthless. They are garbage, refuse and without an positive attribute for all eternity. Even the way they will be put into hell tells us of their worth. The greek word we discussed before, βάλλω, gives the connotation that the things being cast or flung, are done so without care as to where they land. It is a flippant, "away with you", and the first spiritual torment will be the realization that there is no hope and there will never again be any hope. "Cast out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 13:40-42
It will also be a place of intense loneliness. No communication. The only sound will be the raging of the fire and the competing screams of agony. There will be no shoulders to lean on. No support groups. Imagine a darkness so dark and so thick that “it may be felt” (Ex. 10:21). Hell is utter darkness. The Bible says it is “black darkness” (Jude 13). The wicked suffer torment in the flames of hell, yet they do so in total, black, terrifying darkness. “Bind him hand and foot, and cast him into the outer darkness, in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Mt. 22:13). In the outer darkness you will be alone with your thoughts. You will have eternity to dwell upon a life wasted serving your own foolish lusts and vanities rather than Jesus Christ.
3. Hell is Eternal
Some heretical teachers are sneaking old false teachings, long known as anti biblical into the Church body that teach that hell is not eternal. They teach it is a place of punishment, and then God will remove the people in it from existence. Rob Bell is in the limelight right now, but there are a few guys who have been teaching these things. Here is an an article that brings this argument: http://www.lamblion.com/articles/articles_eternity3.php
I respond to this article with the following:
Initially we must get out of the way that I do not hold the platonic view that man’s soul is immortal and cannot be annihilated. I believe it cannot be destroyed by secondary causes such as man or disease, but could in theory be annihilated by God. Now it is up to us to determine if it is the intention of God to annihilate the soul of wicked mankind.
First, we look at the true nature of Hell:
We observe from Matthew 25:41, 46 that wicked men will befall the same fate as the Devil and the wicked angels. Hell was created for them, and they will eventually be thrown into it. Wicked mankind, who has not repented of their sins, will meet the same fate because they are children of the Devil.
Since this article does not argue the reality of the torture of Hell, I will not comment on the reality of God’s wrath being poured out on the wicked in Hell. It is clear that he does believe that Hell will be both physically and spiritually painful.
To deal with the erroneous view of conditional immortality, I will issue a response from a few angles.
1. Eternal Punishment (αἰώνιος κόλασις) vs. 46. William Shedd made a good point about this. I will tweak it slightly to shed light on this particular point.
a. Punishment must always include suffering.
b. If suffering is lacking, so is punishment.
c. Ergo, punishment requires consciousness.
d. If consciousness is extinguished, so does the punishment.
e. It is a very curious description that God chooses to inspire- would He be describing annihilation.
“If God by a positive act extinguishes, at death, the remorse of a hardened villain, by extinguishing his self-consciousness, it is a strange use of language to denominate this a punishment.”
2. Either one is annihilated, or one is not. There are no degrees of annihilation. The Bible clearly teaches that there will be degrees of punishment (Matt. 10:15; 11:21-24; 16:27; Luke 12:47-48; John 15:22; Heb. 10:29; Rev. 20:11-15; 22:12)
Rev. 9:6 describes the wicked experiencing the conscious wrath of God and begging the mountains to fall on them, but in vain. As Shedd goes on to say, “The guilty and remorseful have, in all ages, deemed the extinction of consciousness after death to be a blessing; but the advocate of conditional immortality explains it to be a curse...."
The basic idea is that annihilation is not a punishment, it is a blessing. It is a welcome end to the punishment of God haters in Hell. It is possible for one to exist and not be punished, it is not possible to be punished, but not exist. The stance of conditional immortality cannot be reconciled with the scriptures describing punishment.
3. Is αἰώνιος eternal, or just a period of time? What convinces me is that it describes both the end of the righteous and the wicked in Matt. 25. It is impossible to cut short the punishment of the wicked without cutting short the eternal life of the righteous. John Broadus’ commentary on Matthew states it this way: “It will at once be granted, by any unprejudiced and docile mind, that the punishment of the wicked will last as long as the life of the righteous; it is to the last degree improbable that the Great Teacher would have used an expression so inevitably suggesting a great doctrine he did not mean to teach....”
4. This article also confirms that the Bible unquestionably teaches that the Devil and His angels will receive an eternal conscious punishment. If one would read Matt. 25:41-46, you will inevitably come away with the conclusion that the wicked and the Devil will share the same fate--An eternal conscious punishment.
5. A temporary hell is not justice when compared to sinning against an infinitely Holy God. God sees our sin as an infinite transgression against an infinitely perfect and holy law, and the only justice is an eternal punishment suffering under His eternal wrath. So either hell is eternal, or God is not just.
Now a little about what hell is not.
Hell is not eternal separation from God.
The Bible is clear on this issue. Jesus "...is before all things, and in him all things hold together." (Col. 1:17) There is nothing outside of God. Existence, time and space do not exist outside of Him. Even hell is within him. But where heaven will be a place where He pours out His eternal grace and mercy, hell will be a place where he continually pours out His wrath and justice.
"A breath of relief is usually heard when someone declares, “Hell is a symbol for separation from God.” To be separated from God for eternity is no great threat to the impenitent person. The ungodly want nothing more than to be separated from God. Their problem in hell will not be separation from God, it will be the presence of God that will torment them. In hell, God will be present in the fullness of His divine wrath. He will be there to exercise His just punishment of the damned. They will know Him as an all-consuming fire." (R.C. Sproul, On Hell) Johnathan Edwards, preaching on Heaven and Hell said, "Wicked men will hereafter earnestly wish to be turned to nothing and forever cease to be that they may escape the wrath of God."Hell will not be cruel.
I will let R.C. Sproul speak to this:
No matter how we analyze the concept of hell it often sounds to us as a place of cruel and unusual punishment. If, however, we can take any comfort in the concept of hell, we can take it in the full assurance that there will be no cruelty there. It is impossible for God to be cruel. Cruelty involves inflicting a punishment that is more severe or harsh than the crime. Cruelty in this sense is unjust. God is incapable of inflicting an unjust punishment. The Judge of all the earth will surely do what is right. No innocent person will ever suffer at His hand. (R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith)
Now if you are disturbed by my description of Hell, good! I'm on a mission to disturb the comfortable, preach the gospel, and by God's sovereign grace and mercy, save some. Turn to Christ, and you have never to fear the terrors of Hell. But ignore the plain truth of scripture at your peril. I love my fellow man to say that. It is not out of a sense of anger that I talk about Hell. It is a great pain and burden I feel for the lost. If you do not know Christ, open your Bible and read the book of Romans. Read 1John. Then read them again. Find a Bible believing church and ask them to pray with you and beg God to save you. Continue that process until you are saved, or die and spend eternity in Hell.









March 17, 2011 9:45 PM
God is all about love not Hate we send ourselves to hell not God
March 18, 2011 3:24 AM
I never even thought about what I was taught about "eternal separation from God." Then the following passage come to mind as I read this posting: Psa 139:7-18 "Where shall I go from your Spirit? Or where shall I flee from your presence? (8) If I ascend to heaven, you are there! If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there! (9) If I take the wings of the morning and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, (10) even there your hand shall lead me, and your right hand shall hold me. (11) If I say, "Surely the darkness shall cover me, and the light about me be night," (12) even the darkness is not dark to you; the night is bright as the day, for darkness is as light with you. (13) For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. (14) I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. (15) My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. (16) Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them. (17) How precious to me are your thoughts, O God! How vast is the sum of them! (18) If I would count them, they are more than the sand. I awake, and I am still with you."
March 22, 2011 12:24 AM
It's very intertesting that the Bible speaking of Hell many many more times over than it speaks of Heaven.
Those who deny Hell and accept the "God of Love" truly deny that "God of Love" as well, for a lying contrary God who is unjust is no "God of love". If there's no Hell, then there's no reason to believe, and if all roads lead to the same place, then there's no point in anything. Just do whatever you wish. Problem with that is, it's not true and Hell exists.
Repent and give your life to Christ, for He is the one who will you save you, (from the fiery pit of Hell)
April 5, 2011 5:00 PM
"If there's no Hell, then there's no reason to believe, and if all roads lead to the same place, then there's no point in anything."
Wow, it's sad that there's no reason to believe in God if there is no Hell. I guess all the grace and blessings that come from God don't count without a Hell.
That's how I want my relationship with my kids to be:
It'd be just fine with me if my son loved me and did what I wanted him to because he had to, for fear of being grounded if he didn't obey and love me. Thats how I want my child to be; motivated by a fear of punishment, and not out of love and respect for me.
April 5, 2011 5:01 PM
"If there's no Hell, then there's no reason to believe, and if all roads lead to the same place, then there's no point in anything."
Wow, it's sad that there's no reason to believe in God if there is no Hell. I guess all the grace and blessings that come from God don't count without a Hell.
That's how I want my relationship with my kids to be:
It'd be just fine with me if my son loved me and did what I wanted him to because he had to, for fear of being grounded if he didn't obey and love me. Thats how I want my child to be; motivated by a fear of punishment, and not out of love and respect for me.
April 5, 2011 5:05 PM
Marcus,
I believe you have missed the point. The point is that is we cannot believe what the Bible clearly teaches about Hell, then there is no real reason to believe anything about it, including whether or not there is a God at all. If you pick and choose from the Bible, there is no rule to tell you what to pick and choose. Believing in the Bible is an all-or-nothing proposition, as is a life in slavery to Christ.
May 14, 2011 8:44 PM
Dear Brother Fred,
Rhett Ellis here. I was a full time Southern Baptist pastor for 14years. You were one of my references in the early days of my ministry, and I will always be thankful for your ministry and friendship. As a pastor preparing to preach on the subject of Hell, I noticed discrepancies in the English translations that were impossible to reconcile with the Greek and Hebrew. Gehenna isn't Hell. Hades isn't Hell in all but one instance. Sheol isn't Hell. Aion and its derivative Aionian consistently refer to ages, not eternity. As you may recall, I was an ultra-conservative in the days of the controversy. I am not telling you this as an unbeliever but as one who takes scripture seriously. I would be happy to meet and discuss the issue any time here in Mobile. I believe Christ is the savior of all mankind, especially of those who believe. Clement, Origen, and others in the early church believed this. As C.S. Lewis pointed out in The Great Divorce, Paul seemed to believe it too, but the Greek has to be read consistently and thoroughly to see it. tentmaker.org is a good starting point for studies, especially the word Aion and its derivatives. For advanced studies, The Inescapable Love of God by Thomas Talbott is excellent, probably the best book on the subject in English.
May 18, 2011 9:52 AM
Aion equals, not eternity. There are verses that speak of "the end of the age." There is not one instance where contextually age is not the best rendering of Aion and many instances where only age makes any real sense. It would be tedious to list verses, but I would challenge anyone to do what I did as I was working through this issue-- get an interlinear Greek New Testament and a Greek English lexicon and read the entire New Testament in Greek paying special attention to this particular word. Now, the derivative "aionian" is wrongly translated as "eternal" most likely because we do not have an exact English equivalent for this word. We do, however, follow the Greek practice regarding the letters "ian" to transform nouns into adjectives to this very day. For instance, a car from Italy is an Italian car. A man from Brazil is Brazilian. The word "Aionian" means of or pertaining to the age or ages. Instead of "Eternal God," a literal rendering is "God of the Ages." This is not to say God isn't eternal. It's just to say that the words Aion and Aionian do not convey this. Take the Greek phrase "Aionian Puros." The King James renders it "Eternal Fire." A literal rendering would be "Purification of Ages." That is a drastically different meaning and completely literal. Does this match the rest of Scripture? "He will Baptise you with the Holy Ghost and with "puros." fire. Jesus baptizes with a cleansing, purifying fire, and this is the same word that is used-- puros. I agree with you whole-heartedly that there is no such thing as seperation from God. It's just that our God is a consuming fire. God is the fire of the ages.
November 5, 2011 4:39 AM
Pastor Wolfe, I would appreciate if you address Rhett's comments. I have read the word and believe hell is a literal and real place but have spoken with other people who say that Jesus never said that there was a hell based on the "errors" in translations we have from the greek to english. I find that if this is true then it changes the gospel completely. I have found a decent number of sites claiming this same theology, "that there is no hell". I have a question on rev 20.15 because in there it says if our name is not in the book of life, we go to the lake of fire. there is no translation in that to gehenna, hades, etc. so i read that as literal. i am concerned if this is a false teaching because if there is no hell then what is the point for Jesus to come? Please respond with your thoughts, I am a bit confused over what people have said about all this. thank you.
November 5, 2011 7:23 AM
Casey,
For a more in depth study that is still on the popular level, you may want to check out "Erasing Hell" by Francis Chan. It deals with these objections.